We went there yesterday and filled a complaint.
We had no choice because of what happened last Thursday in the Justice Building.
The Prosecutor insisted the Judge sent Jenn to Campbellton without a trial.
......and suddenly this Cop shows up with this Bullshit???
We had no choice because of what happened last Thursday in the Justice Building.
The Prosecutor insisted the Judge sent Jenn to Campbellton without a trial.
......and suddenly this Cop shows up with this Bullshit???
Paul Estey attitude and behavor must be connected to Tyrant Drunken Quebecois Dan Bussieres.
Why? He works for Dan Bussieres -
Here's a video I made yesterday -
Afterwards.....
Here's her complaint - < I'm putting a new complaint this week >
29 January 2013
Jenn Wambolt
Fredericton,
NB
E3A 2X4
Dear Police Commission;
This letter is a further complaint from yesterday, about
Paul Estey. The previous letter did not portrait
the trauma we experienced, the humiliation, the degradation and fear from being
harassed by Estey.
We had only just survived another corrupt day in court, in
which the Crown was attempting to have me looked up without evidence or a trial
(a typical day in court in NB). We were
gathered together outside the court room immediately after when Estey
approached my husband James Wambolt, and said are you prepared to go to jail
because I have a warrant to take you now.
This was not the time or the place nor the person who should be doing
this. I told Estey that his warrant was
not approved or signed and we weren’t prepared to pay now. Estey then involved my lawyer by asking her
to step aside and talk to him so that she could assist in further traumatizing
us.
I and my husband were targeted and harassed once again by
Paul “THE LAW” Estey.
Regretfully
Jenn Wambolt
36 comments:
I read a couple of lines, then stopped reading it after it became apparent the compliant will not be heard. When bitching, try not to discredit yourself by calling the courts corrupt.
Once again, more time and money wasted on pukes like Jenn
Good for you Jenn. That act by Estey was simply intimidation and harassment. I cannot believe the Crown's office is allowing this persecution and extremely unprofessional behaviour. Do you suppose this is because of FPF's very unprofessional behaviour in 2010? Do the powers at be know about this? Maybe it's time to go higher up on the chain with complaints and maybe it is time to go public, again.
Just when is the time or place?
If you don't pay a fine,I say the time or place is anytime they catch you to serve you. Again it was your actions of not paying the fine that resulted in the confrontation. If you don't want confrontation, they pay the fine and therefore no confrontation would happen.
I personally think that was the time and place. He was there you were ther, and serving you there saved taxpayers the running round to find you at a more convenient time for you.
I don't know what world you live in, but getting called out for not paying a fine in public is NOT degrading, humiliating or anything else you want to call it. On a scale of 1to a 1000 in degrading actions, being served in public for not paying a fine, doesn't even register a 1.
Again, of this does humiliate you and degrade you in your mind, it is simply solved by having paid the fine as instructed to and by the time instructed, and then there would have been no need for Estey to do what we pay him to do,
well sure you have all this lucrative cash and there is no issue for you, however we had every penny all our belongings in the world, our children and our two homes as well as 2 decades of volunteer work, husbands career, my business, pets, friends and family taken from us by force.
What happened to us could happen to you too in a heartbeat.
Bad things do happen to good people.
Take a moment and think, if your world crumbled tomorrow who will still be there for you when the dust settles?
Jenn Wambolt.
Friends and family taken away from you? What a load of shit. What a delusional world you live in.
Were they forbidden by a court from seeing you? Were they jailed so they couldn't see youZ. Were they removed from the country so they couldn't see you? Hardly.
Your friends and family were never taken away from you. They may have stopped seeing you, but they were never forced to stop, so never taken away.
I'm not even going to touch the issue of were they really friends if they stopped seeing you...
Garbage happens every day to people. It's how we cope that makes us resilient humans and not just animals. People need to stop blaming society and everyne else for their inability to cope when things do fall apart. It sucks, so what, suck it up and live another day.
In regards to lucrative cash.
If one can afford to run a car, they can afford the consequences of running that car. If they can't, then they shouldn't be using the car.
If a 25$ fine can't be paid due to cash issues, then the car shouldnt be on e road in the first place.
Jenn, in 2008 my world caved in around me, lost my job, couldn't get back in for the rest of the year, cut off from EI. Like you I could've blamed the system, but I kept going, held my head high, and blamed no one but myself for my hellhole. I got out in 09 and vowed never to fall in that trap again, and so far I have not.
If you handle disaster in this fashion Jenn, you are beyond hopeless and beyond useless. You're washed up and won't get out till you change yourself and start taking responsibilities for your mistakes.
Its at least worth a complaint. Its VERY odd that an officer would escort somebody to jail for a bylaw offence. But again, we only know half the story.
However, in reality, pride and timing are not something that is relevant in police work. IF these statements were warranted, then really a defendant can't claim 'timing' any more than a guy with a truckload of coke can complain "look, I ALMOST had this all delivered and then the cops arrested me and were VERY rude".
If the procedure was done 'by the book', then thats all that can be hoped for. Again, we simply don't have the evidence. CHarles at least posts pictures of the offending tickets and a point by point account-usually warts and all-so that people can make judgements.
But there is no reason to call people names or be derogatory. Again, we KNOW what police are capable of, and anybody that belittles people aren't even worth responding to. But there needs to be evidence, and there really wasn't any in that letter. In fact, for reference for other readers, there are complaint forms available and they have fairly strict guidelines. Dates, quotes, events, etc., are all necessary, and I have to agree, comments like "corrupt court" and personal asides really have no place in the document, and will prejudice those who are reading the complaint against you.
If a police officer threatened jail time for a bylaw offence, based on an unsigned and unapproved warrant, especially at a time when it would look like retaliation for an effective court defence, why would a complaint against him be inappropriate (subject to Mikel's constructive criticisms)? More generally, if the losses described here happened to someone because of abuse or corruption, why would it not be understandable, even commendable, for that person to try to "cope" by holding the relevant people accountable - rather than just give up and thus reinforce a serious social problem? Why should such a person be subject to even more abuse, particularly from people who do not know the whole story, and yet feel entitled to make judgmental and derogatory accusations worse than the comments they are complaining about?
Vaughn Barnett
11:03 !
It is Societies fault things are falling apart!
There is only one Society which is the LAW SOCIETY of NEW BRUNSWICK which is Private to most and is there to take from you(thats it)!
The Society protects its minions(to a point) Politicians Police Government etc which is purposely ruining CANADA`s economy which is bringing down the value of the currency forcing honest people to work twice as hard maybe 3x to pay taxes on a debt created by banks that can never ever be repaid and the only goal is to make everyone a slave to debt or destroy you(take your prick).
11:47 You must be sucking on the gravy train somewhere to bounce back so quick,or one hell of a survivalist? I guess you make a few dollars more and can look down on people who are having a hard time to pick themselves up eh while they have a big NWO boot holding them down?
Free Trade,Agenda 21 and I guess the plan of these people(corporations)are to bring wealth and prosperity to us all eh you dumb #####!
Stupid People fighting each other over stupid laws governments enacts to destroy everything good in this Country when you should be coming together to defeat these crooks. Remember Divide and Conquer,that's how it works folks when your too busy fighting each other when you should be looking elsewhere!
This place is corrupt and Jenn - hold your head up high. These people have stolen your dignity and your possessions but you will have your day. The assholes who criticize have no clue and one day karma will catch up with them and kick their asses in to the gutter and then maybe they will begin to have the slightest clue of what you have suffered. Keep on truckin.
CONGRATULATIONS JENN!!! When the really bitchy comments come out you know the truth has struck a REALLY raw nerve in the establishment! Keep it up, you are giving them a public berating that they obviously don't like.
As I posted in the earlier article about Jenn and her husband's issues, the idiots need to be made aware that Jenn and her husband volunteer their time and energy to help others - individuals as well as organisations and good causes and volunteering for two of those causes resulted in parking fines and the police harassing them in a way that was inappropriate and undeserved. The idiots should shut up and recognize these are indeed good people who do good for others with a great deal of volunteer work - for six different causes that I know of right off the bat. How many of you can say the same? It's time you negs shut up and got a life.
The 25$ parking ticket was my fault not my husbands because I miss calculated how long we were going to be in court. I could not leave because I was representing a friend who's child was illegally and forcibly taken from her. The child was returned before end of day.
The complaint against Estey is called a conduct complaint and the people who complained about my complaint are simply bad cops who don't what the GP (general public) to know they can complain about pour conduct since cops are public servants.
Friends and Family were jailed.
The things that have happened to our family should never have occurred we have been clearly targeted for no other reason than they could, can and will and you could be next.
Owning a car is very expensive as it is with loan, insurance, registration, inspection, gas and up keep we really can't afford fines too.
Jenn Wambolt
Jenn again I repeat, if you can't afford the fines, you can't afford the car. Seriously.
It's all part of the cost of owning anything. Fines, unexpected expenses etc will always happen with everything one owns, that cost must be factored in when deciding if one can really afford somethng or not.
If you really can't afford a 25 dollar fine, then really and truly you shouldn't be running a car. Seriously.
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I dont care how many charities one helps. I don't even care of you are Mother Teresa. If you owe a fine you pay it. Nobody is better than anyone else and ahould get a free pass because they help others.
No-one has the right tell anyone else how to live their lives and whether they should own a car or not. As we know, when the hard times hit some months are financially worse than others. We need cars to get to work, get groceries and take children to the doctor and Jenn's family is no exception. It would be more expensive for a family of five to run around on buses and taxis than it would to run a car - as I know from personal experience. The foolish and negative comments coming out are worthless and detract from the real issues here - the rogue police force of Fredericton and the chronically failing justice system.
I was a witness to Estey's threat to Jenn's husband to effect a warrant for committal for non-payment of a $25 fine. Please note, this was not an arrest warrant - where his rights to counsel would kick in immediately - but a warrant to send him straight to jail. Would he ever have seen a lawyer? I doubt it.
Of great concern was the fact that the warrant stated that four days would be served or sufficient to pay off the $25!!! How much money were the City and GNB prepared to pay on taking someone to jail for a $25 fine? It makes no sense and if they did this to every unpaid ticket the jails would be full and there would be no money left to resolve any other types of crime.
I note Kelly Lamrock's name came up in court last year for an unpaid parking fine and I know for a fact he and many others were not treated like the Wambolts, so again, we see Charles' two tier justice system hard at work persecuting the less fortunate.
Those ignorant of the real facts should start paying attention to what is happening around them.
Except we don't have a rogue police force or a chronically failing justice system. So that isn't even an issue. Except of course to the handful of whiners here about how it is corrupt.
Is it perfect. No. Will it ever be perfect? No. That's impossible to achieve. But is hardly rogue or chronically failing.
The system works and is fine for the vast majority of society. Be a part of that vast majority of society and there are no issues.
In regards to a car. Needs vs wants. People want a car, they don't NEED a car. Millions survive without one. Even thousands in Frederixton with our less that perfect transit system. It's a convenient luxury, but life can be rearranged to survive without one.
In answer to the first poster - the courts here ARE corrupt - you obviously haven't had the bad luck to be sucked into their corruption...yet.
I posted it on another blog, but the reality is that people CAN go to jail for not paying parking tickets. We haven't been told WHEN the parking ticket was issued. It IS a big issue if it was new, because a ticket clearly has a court date on it, and no police can target a person before that date.
IF you don't show up and don't pay your fine,that's another story, and we had this issue before with Charles. The critic above doesn't say it politely, but the reality is if you clearly break the law and ignore a ticket, you can't complain about abuse of process because you made the process.
Getting back to this case, if ANYBODY out there wants to publicly challenge the law, then get charles or borrow a camera from charles to take a picture of the warrant. That seems to be the big issue here. IF the warrant was not signed, then that is odd and there needs to be some follow up. But it seems to be an odd kind of argument that 'the officer then spoke to our lawyer to further traumatize us'. It seems to me that if you have a lawyer present then that is exactly what the officer should do. Otherwise you'd be complaining "we had a lawyer there but the officer insisted on talking to us and further traumatizing us". In other words, he can't win.
In short, if a warrant is being served, then the defendant has no real right to dictate the time or place where that happens. It could be a funeral or your wedding, doesn't matter.
The REAL issue here is the details which we really have no evidence of-did this result from an unsigned warrant? Is there a law in NB that lets officers execute an unsigned misdemeanor warrant? When did the parking infraction occur?
However, another big issue is to ask how often after not paying a parking ticket are OTHER people taken to jail? It does seem odd, and seems understandable, that forgetting about a parking ticket can happen, and probably does. So there may be a very real probability that this is just 'persecution'. But again, first there needs to be evidence. Let's see the warrant, and lets see the parking ticket. The complaints about timing are really nonsensical IF the paperwork is valid.
Mikel,
It's an efficiency thing. If you know when and where someone's going to be, that certainly is a lot easier and cost and time effective to do your job, than the alternative of running hither and for trying to track people down.
Another reason for staying under the radar and not rocking the boat and going to court at every drop of a dime, especially if you are also prone to breaking bylaws. Nothing like making it easy for them to find you.
It is how they should do the job too. We pay them via taxes, and we demand efficiency.
We all do stuff like that every da of our lives though. Know the best and most efficient time to be places, run into people, etc. even Charles uses the method relentlessly in his stalking of politicians. He knows their routes to and from the legislature and when to be there to corner them. Some are easier than others to know when and where. Yet I don't see anyone rang Charles over the coals for doing the exact same thing Esteyis being raked over the coals for,
Wow - I just saw in the Provincial Offences Procedure Act under section 10(1)e that when someone is issued a ticket they have the right to retain and instruct counsel - this means the Wambolt's ticket was improperly prosecuted, along with EVERY other ticket issued in Fredericton by the Police or City by law enforcement when the recipient is not informed of this right. Oh! The Charter violations... People need to start asking for a lawyer when they get a ticket AND complaining if they are not informed of this legislated right.
Not sure I understand the point of the above, like I said, I agree there is no real issue about timing. I agree that in serving a warrant if the police know you are going to be somewhere, thats the perfect time or place.
To me, that is not the issue. She says it was unsigned-THAT is a big issue, because it means an officer simply did some documentation and is acting without the authority of a judge or prosecutor.
Being incarcerated just for not paying a parking ticket, that is also a big deal. I put some examples above, but in Canada the people who are jailed typically owe THOUSANDS in fines. NEITHER of these allegations has been proven, we only have one side. That is in the complaint, so it remains to be seen what happens with the complaint.
For the second comment, its good for people to be reading the laws, but taking them out of context doesn't help.
Go look at any parking ticket, it says right on the ticket you have the right to retain counsel. People get parking tickets all the time when the police aren't around waiting for the person. Here's the full quote of what is ON THE TICKET:
"10(1)A ticket shall
(a)be directed to the defendant,
(b)set out the offence with which the defendant is charged,
(c)state the time and place at which the defendant is to appear in court in order to be dealt with according to law,
(d)state that the defendant has the right to choose the official language in which the proceedings will be conducted,
(e)state that the defendant has the right to retain and instruct counsel,
(f)state that the defendant may pay a fixed penalty instead of appearing in court at the time and place stated in the ticket but that a defendant who makes such a payment shall be deemed to have been convicted of the offence,
(g)state the amount of the fixed penalty and the time, place and manner of payment, and
(h)state that if the defendant does not pay the fixed penalty and does not appear in court at the time and place stated in the ticket, the defendant may be convicted of the offence."
That's on every ticket, so its crazy to say that these are 'charter violations'. There are already enough charter violations in New Brunswick, there is no need to imagine them.
549
It is NOT a Charter violation. It is NOT.
Is has nothing at all to do with the Charter!
Legislation, perhaps.
Charter, NO!
Bylaws are municipal and not provincial offences.
It's comments like 549pm that fully explains why judges are saying that self defending people are tying up and wasting court time.
To add to 5.59's comments - if you get a ticket and don't pay go to court and demand a lawyer and just tell the judge you are entitled to representation. This could really turn things around if people stand up for this charter right and freedom.
Well, its comments like 10:23 why government is allowed to get away with these things. Municipal bylaws can be charter offenses just as easily as provincial offenses, and are usually based on them.
Fredericton, Moncton, and Saint John all have bylaw offenses against 'begging', even though this has been found constitutional in every other province, and meets the criteria set out by the Canadian Supreme Court. These bylaws are enabled, in part, because there is provincial legislation stating the same. In short, BOTH the provincial law and the bylaws are unconstitutional.
Its cases like PANHANDLING, where we have established proof that the bylaws are unconstitutional, and ample evidence that people are being ticketed and incarcerated-THAT is why the courts are being tied up, and part of the reason New Brunswick spends so much money on incarcerating people.
And the fact that it exists in that case, makes me at least give the benefit of the doubt when they talk about the 'illegality' of the justice system in New Brunswick. We already KNOW that it occurs, so when it occurs in other cases, its no surprise. But again, proof needs to be established.
"if you get a ticket and don't pay go to court and demand a lawyer and just tell the judge you are entitled to representation."
This needs a bit of clarification, Section One of the Charter sets out rights limitations. Your rights are not 'absolute'.
It has been New Brunswick policy to not provide legal representation for offenses that will not result in jail time. Since in this case the lawyer was present, this isn't an issue.
However, what people involved in the court system NEED to know is that a lawyer is always present on plea court days. Duty Counsel is available, but they are only available BEFORE your hearing, not during.
Again, this is very important to those who are given tickets for 'begging'. They should get to court early and talk to duty counsel because as the legal department for the city of Saint John said, this bylaw, and the provincial law its based on, will not withstand a constitutional challenge.
However, if you are stupid enough to listen to people who tell you not to pay your traffic tickets, or those even crazier who make statements like 'they can only punish you if you recognize their court system' and such foolishness, then you need the help of the John Howard Society because that is just dumb dumb dumb.
There is no court in Canada that has given any kind of credence to court challenges based on not paying parking tickets.
9.45 et al - I think the Chaarter violation is that people without money, like the Wambolts, cannot afford a lawyer and since we are not seeing you can be incarcerated for non-payment of the ticket Legal Aid has an obligation to provide counsel - but they tell us you cannot go to jail for a parking ticket! It is a Charter Right to retain counsel and, when you have no money you are entitled to legal aid. When served with such documents the uniforms have a duty to ensure you understand your right to counsel under the Charter and ensure you are told you can go to legal aid. Since it is a Charter Right informed on the ticket the judiciary also has a responsibility to ensure defendants are aware of that Charter Right - I have seen this in action and judges adjourn to give parties time to speak with duty counsel who, interestingly, have left the building by the time by-law tickets are dealt with.
As for the idiot who says it is enough to see it on the back of the ticket - it is not, in light of the many people in this province who cannot even read and do not think to look at the samll print.
Every ticket processed in court when a defendant has not been informed of their Charter Rights to counsel is unlawful and this constitutes a default in proceedings.
3.16 - how dare you refer to any other human being as a "puke"? You are a disgrace to demean another human being in that way.
Mikel - Legal Aid NB duty counsel are not in the building when by-law tickets are heard in provincial court and nobody ensures individuals are informed of this right - I have seen it for myself. There is a Charter Right to representation and I hope people start requesting this from the courts. I agree if people are in the wrong the tickets should be paid but when there are legitimate, provable, mitigating circumstances they should be waived. The trouble is people are dismissing payment of fines without telling the court their reasons and that brings consequences, albeit beyond the jurisdiction of the courts if the process was properly initiated. There need to be some test cases now where people use their right to counsel for legitimate unpaid tickets.
10.43 - I have been looking for a job and the majority require one to own a car - even cleaning jobs, so don't lecture us on how it is a choice to have a car: I can't get a job without one because of the poor bus schedules and lack of funds for taxis.
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There are hundreds of people gainfully employed in Fredericton who cannot and do not drive. Some of them can't even use the bus.
Yet, they have found work and work full time, being a contributing member of society, because they want to, and they haven't used excuses as to why they can't. Excuses are just hurdles to overcome. The reason they are working, is because they have the will and desire to overcome those hurdles.
I know one lady in particular that has an almost two hour commute to work and and the same from work using the bus and walking. Every day. Is the bus schedule good? Of course not, but the lady is unable to drive, is not allowed to drive, and accepts what is out there for her, happily going to her 40 hour a week job that takes 4 hours a day in travel. Perfect? of course not. Life? You betcha! It impacts many aspect or her and her family's life and lifestyle, yet, they do it, and never complain. Some people are just happy to be able to work and will do what's needed to work.
She must be making more than minimum wage to put in that much time? To not be home if she has children will usually be detrimental to their upbringing!
Thank Your Government for destroying the family home!
Not everybody is obsessed about money. Some people are content with very little, and don't require all the crap that most people think they need. Some people are just happy to be able to work and be a contributing member of society. Doing what they can and living life happily with whatever that allows, no matter how little.
Very contrary to the current entitlement society I realize. But if you've never had anything given to you in life, and you've had to fight for everything, and everything is hard to do, but you want to succeed, then you bite the bullet, don't ask for handouts, or whine, and just get the job of life done.
It's all about attitude.
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