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Monday, March 07, 2011

THE CITY OF FREDERICTON PLAN TO ELIMINATE SANDWICH SIGNS!!!

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From what I'm told? A blind guy made a complaint!!!!

Come on??? This could be the beginning of removing Flower Pots, Lamp Post or the Trees from the Downtown area.

If the City vote to remove the Sandwich Signs?

They would be nuts!!!!

But then again? This is the same Council who gave the OK to Acadian Bus Line to move from the Downtown area!

Click below for an interview I made this afternoon!!!

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Charles,


Andre has left a new comment on your post "THE CITY OF FREDERICTON PLAN TO ELIMINATE SANDWICH...":

It never ceases to amaze me how intelligent individuals could even entertain such a piece of legislation. Lets even look at the probabilities that a blind person could walk into these signs, yes it is possible, that one who is blind could run one into these signs, but really how often has that really happen, chances are that they are more people with sight has run into these is signs, because of some other visual distraction.

Reality is you can not create a 0 risk environment, and with all of the other obstacles that exist on side walk, including people that could be a potential hazard for blind people, you might well redesign the cities side walks to include different lanes, one for blind people, one for human powered wheel chair, one motorized wheel chair and so on, and still with all of these provisions in place the risk of someone getting injured is still there.

I think for the most part most people with sight limitations have developed the skills to be able to navigate the streets of Fredericton without to much difficulty. (Within the context of the limitaton)

I know there is someone who is going to argue that I am totally insensitive to people with visual limitations on the one issue ... well I leave at that.

Last note, you can expect this fluff piece of legislation to pass, after all when Mayor Woodside first became mayor, his first order of business as a new mayor, was to make Fredericton Snake free, because of someone taking the python snake for a walk, and some wuss was terrified of the snake.

Personally I think that Woodside should keep spending his energies on developing the city for the 21st century and up to this excluding some superficial legislation, has done a great job. I guess, his strengths outweigh his weaknesses.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

We been walked over for 50 years. We used to it. Anyhow, who cares. I get my check. And, They get thiers,lol, for sure!

my views about life said...

true annonymous

but it is time CANADIANS wake up or we will loose everything and become an US invaded country ....
that would not even offer resistance since we are too lazy

Anonymous said...

Before you say anything more Charles you need to put yourselves in these peoples shoes. What if you were blind and you had a hard time walking around these signs??? you always ask for people to understand ADHD so now that the shoe is on the other foot you show no empathy towards a person with disabilities. Think before you go any further with this Charles, you may never know what it is truely like to have a difficult ability

Anonymous said...

Charles, the sign in that picture says "clam chowder". That's a soup sign, not a sandwich sign. lol

Yes, yes I know what a sandwich sign is.

Andre said...

It never ceases to amaze me how intelligent individuals could even entertain such a piece of legislation. Lets even look at the probabilities that a blind person could walk into these signs, yes it is possible, that one who is blind could run one into these signs, but really how often has that really happen, chances are that they are more people with sight has run into these is signs, because of some other visual distraction.

Reality is you can not create a 0 risk environment, and with all of the other obstacles that exist on side walk, including people that could be a potential hazard for blind people, you might well redesign the cities side walks to include different lanes, one for blind people, one for human powered wheel chair, one motorized wheel chair and so on, and still with all of these provisions in place the risk of someone getting injured is still there.

I think for the most part most people with sight limitations have developed the skills to be able to navigate the streets of Fredericton without to much difficulty. (Within the context of the limitaton)

I know there is someone who is going to argue that I am totally insensitive to people with visual limitations on the one issue ... well I leave at that.

Last note, you can expect this fluff piece of legislation to pass, after all when Mayor Woodside first became mayor, his first order of business as a new mayor, was to make Fredericton Snake free, because of someone taking the python snake for a walk, and some wuss was terrified of the snake.

Personally I think that Woodside should keep spending his energies on developing the city for the 21st century and up to this excluding some superficial legislation, has done a great job. I guess, his strengths outweigh his weaknesses.

Who you gonna call? said...

"I think for the most part most people with sight limitations have developed the skills to be able to navigate the streets of Fredericton without to much difficulty."

See the problem here is you think, not that you know. You've made assumptions and don't have any facts.

I don't know if this legislation is needed, it doesn't affect me if it does get passed, but stop guessing at what blind people can and can't do and ask them instead.

Andre said...

@ Who you are going to call, if I understand you correctly you are implying that those with sight impairment are not taught the necessary skills to help them adapt to their limitation.

When we refer to someone being blind, what do we really mean, because blindness covers quite a range from total blindness, to partial blindness, eig tunnel vision and so forth.

My experience, and this is with total blindness is, at least the with the ones that I dealt with were very well adapted to their non-sight, I have taken blind people through the Reversing Falls Rapids jet boat ride during high and low tides. The ride is very extreme, immediate change of direction, high speed 360's, quick deceleration and so on.

In the Mid 90's I took out an totally blind American to do a High tide(SCUBA)dive off of deer Island point where the worlds largest whirlpool exists, it's an advance dive, with a twenty minute window.

Because of the nature of the dive I required him to produce his dive log book to see how many underwater hours of experience he had (which I would asked anyone before taking them out on this type of dive).

This individual, without assistance, was able to gear themselves up and get him self into the water (mind you buddy safety check were done). The only thing that was different with this dive was that he was tethered to me, his skill as a swimmer made me look like a novice.

referring to your statement attacking me "See the problem here is you think, not that you know. You've made assumptions and don't have any facts", my thinking is supported my the experience that I have had with not only totally blind people in extreme environments but people with other limitations as well.

My finding is that our species adapts very well to their condition relative to their environment, the greater sin is to underestimate abilities of those affected by a disability(ies).

Where ever possible and if the need is there I do support accommodation at what ever cost, not to restrict accessibility for those physical disability either through genetics or accidental.

Now @ Who are you going to Call, we can never know anything absolutely, we can only know in terms of relative and probability.

So I close, "Who are you going to Call, prove that you are not a butterfly dreaming that you are a person". ... :)

Who you gonna call? said...

I did not say what you think I did.

What I did say was listen.

Listen to blind people and find out if they do in fact need these signs removed.

Apparently one person felt strongly enough to make a complaint but one person's complaint does not mean it needs legislation.

Talk to group representing the blind and the blind themselves to find out what's truly necessary to accommodate their abilities.

My statement wasn't attacking you. It was attacking your position. You may have several anecdotes regarding the blind people you've met but, if it's not representative of the community as a whole then they are worth nothing. The community needs to weight to decide if these signs removed.

I don't presume to speak for a community I'm not apart of, and I don't presume to know each member's abilities and needs.

For all I know only the complainer needs these signs removed and it's otherwise a non-issue.

Too bad you or I don't know that.

Andre said...

@Who your gonna to call, you nailed it, Here is a piece of legislation that has the potential being legislated, because those who are making that decision are not doing their homework, instead are behaving like a middle school student representative council a knee jerk reaction to one complaint.

we don't know what the circumstances were to why this individual had a problem.

I am not arguing whether I am right or wrong, but that people with disabilities are very adaptive, and within reason can adapt to a given environment.

City hall before passing such a piece of legislation should consult with all of the interest groups ... I think we have a meeting of the minds on the point.

But common sense is that if this was such a problem why has some of the groups like the CNIB have not come forward raising the hazard issue.

I don't know about you but I am still trying to figure out whether or not I am a butterfly dreaming that I am person. .. chuckle

If all failed we at least entertained Charles ... :)

Who you gonna call? said...

I'm glad you've done a complete 180 from...

"It never ceases to amaze me how intelligent individuals could even entertain such a piece of legislation."

to...

"City hall before passing such a piece of legislation should consult with all of the interest groups"